Ask Muammar el-Ghadaffi.Originally Posted by old_pop2000
I can think of several instances when that failed: Vietnam, Lebanon, and one in which it worked, Kuwait in 1961 (though the carrier was British). Naval air power also could have helped in keeping the Indonesian confrontation "cool".
My definition of a CVN - I would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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Scott:
What is NTDS capable? I assume it has to do with digital communications?
Ed Rotondaro
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Dennis:
I agree. That old argument about the ovewhelming presence of a carrier battle group has been used by CNOs to get their budgets passed. The problem is unless we actually attack, most nations simply go about their business and ignore the task force.
Ed Rotondaro
"We need bigger boats!" Admiral Clifton Sprague at the battle of Samar, October 25th 1944
"Always seize the moral high ground in any conflict. It's a great place to site your artillery" - Me
"That's not a heavy cruiser" - Capt. Sanji Iwabuchi CO of HIJMS Kirishima, Nov 15 1942
NTDS- Naval Tactical Data System
A multi-platform secure data exchange system.
That's all I am going to say about it.
Dennis
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With assymetric threats, do we just park a CVBG off the coast of a possible source of that threat, even if we do not have hard evidence they were the offending nation? What about multi-national threats, or non-national threats? How do we respond to that?
Just some questions to contemplate.
Dennis
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. —Winston Churchill
Be careful in assuming that the air raid on Qaddaffi had any effect on him. Possibly economic sanctions and diplomacy had more effect than the CVBG did.In point of fact, it was the fact that we had nuclear missiles pointed at him, that probably brought him to the table. Those missiles would have come from the unseen submarines.
Behind the scenes, advisers to Qaddafi were arguing that Libya's security would be enhanced, not reduced, by giving up the nuclear program. "We had no delivery system," a top Qaddafi adviser tells Insight at the Libyan leader's office outside of Sirte. "I told the guide, 'If Libya were to start a nuclear war, our missiles won't even reach Malta. If the U.S. starts it, Libya will be erased from the map.'" He said he told Qaddafi as the meetings with the United States and the United Kingdom got under way in London last spring that it was better to get rid of the weapons and redirect the resources toward improving the economy than to risk an American attack
Last edited by old_pop2000; 05-28-2008 at 02:14 PM.
Dennis
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. —Winston Churchill
Ed,
As Dennis stated, it stands for Naval Tactical Data System and is an information exchange system whereby equipped ships can share tactical sensor data to generate synthetic displays. While you could not share actual raw radar video, the information you inputted for a contact could be shared with anyone in the "Link".
If you've ever played Harpoon II or III you see the effective end result: any of your units up on the link can share data with one another. If you have allied nations operating with you who are link capable, then they can share data also.
The older steam ships built in the 60s and early 70s were not link capable. In order to exhcange sensor/contact information they had to literally transmit the information via teletype. Very slow, and not conducive to warfare against mach 4 missiles....
Any more detail would start to get into the classified realm, so I will stop here.
Regards,
Scott Chisholm
NWS Team
Would you agree that it can be likened to a commercial wireless system with security? WIFI, in other words, only a lot more sophisticated.
Dennis
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. —Winston Churchill
Dennis,
That's fair. I'm told the National Air Traffic Control system used in the US is based on a non-classified version of NDTS, but I do not know if that is fact.
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Scott Chisholm
NWS Team
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